Self promotion???

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Is it just me or are there other people here that sincerely dislike self promotion?
I start by raising the question but i am happy to elaborate given a suitable response
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You are absolutely right. I dislike self promotion, too.

But of course, the "problem" is to meet people. This means if there is a public stage you need to present yourself to the audience. This has been the way I find partners. Some of them are really fantastic, aren't they?
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PS: Sorry for my misunderstanding! I am not talking about the shout-box in Wikiloops (discussion below following).
Edited by Neronick on 02-04-2016 21:07
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First of all i have principal aversion against self promotion per se. Secondly i feel that is very unfair. Thirdly there new uploads ARE presented. Fourthly i think there is better use of the shoutbox than self promotion. And i could go on....
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i don't really mind it, i see it as someone who just wants a little pad on the shoulder and get told they did a good job.. i mainly see it between the less-known wikiloops users who really doesnt get that many listens on their music in the first place.

it's not like they're spamming down the shoutbox every 30th minute or so, it's just a small post with "hey, check out this piece" every other day.
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Pedersen wrote: it's not like they're spamming down the shoutbox every 30th minute or so...

I have noted occasions when there was nothing else BUT self promotion
Edited by nilton on 30-03-2016 15:26
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I use the shoutbox, not necessarily for self promotion, but to get the word out to other loopers to join the jam, or congrat someone else who added a good jam. Anyway, to me it's not a big deal, and sometimes I actually click on the link to check out the jam...you should try sometime and stop being a hater :) ...
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Yes, I agree totally with Raymond, I don't see what the problem is with this. I often would click on a link if I see one of the guys just posted it. It's a shoutbox, one minute it is there, the next minute there are smilies and tea.
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rp3drums wrote:
you should try sometime and stop being a hater :) ...

Who said anything about hate?? If anything your comment shows that there needs to be some protocol
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Sometimes tracks fall off the front page quickly so I don't really mind if someone hashtags their track. However, sometimes the shoutbox can get a little busy with listen requests. I don't do it myself but I have drawn attention to other's tracks via the shoutbox. I imagine the # hyperlink format Dick implemented was for promotions (self and otherwise).

In short, it only bothers me sometimes.
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ooops...
watch out folks, let's not turn this into some kind of flame throwing thread - no need to call nilton a hater for bringing the issue up in a moderate way.
I do agree with those who tend to be a bit annoyed by permanent self-promotion,
I rather like the moments when people start recommending tracks other than their own.
On the other hand, it seems to be one of those things people can't help but do, so I don't intervene. Live and let live I guess.
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Now the question becomes: What alternatives can there be to self promotion? Is the front page that flawed that people do not pay attention? I agree with danny that tracks fall off the front page too quickly sometimes, so what can be done about that?

Or is it just a bad habit that has been allowed to grow? And newcomers mimicking the behaviour of who they perceive as experienced users?
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Self promotion has always been going on, new members tend to try that to get some attention...
With the increased speed of new tracks coming up and the increased number of new members, it is not so much of a surprise to see it is happening more often these days. I don't really see it as a big issue, as long as I see stretches of non-self-promotion chat.
I have been aware that the community will outgrow the shoutbox at some point for a long time, and actually am surprised to see how long it has been halfways enjoyable to have.
The days of the shoutbox will have to be counted at some point, I don't think this could be avoided by strong moderation on what is allowed and what is not.
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You are probably right, as very often
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Simply put, I don't call it "Self promotion". I take what I do seriously and am always learning. By asking others to check out a mix, for me, is asking for feedback on my mixing, as well as my playing. I've got thick skin, so I can take the good with the bad. But "Self promote"? That is definitely the wrong way of looking at it.
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That's why I prefer "listen requests." :)
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Our Best audience is here !
As a 16h/24h connected member, I would say there is not so much self promotion.
On these last times, the snipers are new member who want to have some attention!
And usually the trafic is fluid on the shotbox but it's true that I'm often logged out on the rush hours (8:00 09:30 pm here)

If I consider myself as an active uploader:D, I would say that I do between 1 to 4 tracks per day and sometimes that's not especially my work but the final (at this step!) issue from a great synergie and collaboration with Others involved.
I can promote it but over 600 tracks done, maybe promote 1 or 2 per week.

But for sure, I have also learn ego moderation in this place !

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Hello everybody,
Unfortunately I can not help much on the subject, because my English is not good enough. But my tip, for all the more attention like: Listen to other people's contributions. Give them constructive criticism, give them a thumb, a smile or simply the certainty that you have heard their remix. I give you hand and seal, which then includes your remixes. We are still moving in a community of interest. ;)
Love and Peace
Adu :)

Sorry for this bad bad english.
Rockin´ in a free world !
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Everybody has obviously his own view on this, which is a good thing (maybe apart from raymonds). And everybody reading this thread should be aware of the multitude of views and relate to that in a constructive way.
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That's a very nice question. Sometimes it feels like everyone wants to show their new projects, and post them into shouts, one after another. I do so too, for some arrangements, cause i'm asking for bass, vocals, influence. Works, if you don't overload it with links, needs the right timing. But i am really happy that peeps keep on shouting, else i'd have missed a lot of great sessions.
I also post sessions of others, not only mine, there are tons of jams we haven't heard yet, that's why it is important to keep it that way. I don't like shouts like ' #***** my new jam :D ' or somethin, there's a bit details needed for me. It's up to you anyway, check it out or leave it, it won't be useless tho. Wikiloops aye

For very important sessions i use PM's. No need to add anything, if there's no feelings and ambitions. But shoutbox is an option, a little chance to grab the right person with it's special vibe. Something like that
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I can take it with a grain of salt. Been off the loops for a while so haven't noticed it that often. I still think the best way to get your self heard is to listen, comment and join on other tracks. it does help me meet new loopers so like i said not an issue for me.
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