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Hi Dick,

I wonder if this makes sense, but might it be worth having separate forums for German and maybe other languages? There are many people who don't speak English, but would like to maybe discuss things - at the moment you have it all mixed up, sometimes maybe in the same topic.

If we had a Spanish forum, and a German for instance, maybe there would be more involvement? And the main one would be just English?

Just an idea, not sure myself about the benefits.
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Hey,
it would be relatively easy to add a seperate sections of the forum to offer boards for certain languages, it is more the moderation part that would become increasingly difficult - I couldn't moderate p.e. a spanish forum myself. I'm not sure if there really is that much demand, either, lets see if other folks care to comment.
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I can understand the sentiment entirely, TG, but I think that would be very hard work to moderate, as Dick said, and in truth, I feel might lead to some level of exclusion as people will tend to stick to their language leading to less integrated contribution in the forums in general. I feel it might separate what is currently a very integrated site, despite the obvious language difficulties.

Might I suggest a compromise where perhaps people, when they create a thread, they're able to choose the language (or it's picked from their log in language by default) they've posted using and each thread indicates which language that discussion is in? At least then, users will know which language to translate it to?

Perhaps, following on from that, add an auto-generated link to each post (or thread) that people can click on and it'll send it to Google Translate (or wherever) to convert to their log-in/chosen language to at least take away the hassle of manually going via a translation site?

I think this would encourage non-English speakers to at least post in their native language (I reckon many don't post because they feel their English isn't good enough so this would at least encourage participation) and everyone else understand how to translate it better.

Of course, this doesn't solve the moderation issue but at least keeps it in the same forums.
Edited by mpointon on 20-06-2016 12:18
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What would be cool is at least a translation to english of the thread titles.
There's always a way to understand, translate or ask someone to translate.

The wiki's forum section is a "gold mine" to me.
I've spend hours reading old threads.

That's not that thread subject but here we have:
Technical or hints explanations
(which are so useful when you take time to explore the depthless of threads.)
Social threads which are a way to "meet" our mates and share.
And even philosophical threads...

A gold mine...
Sorry, I'm slightly off topic^^
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Ich verstehe die Problematik mit der Moderation, da weiss ich auf Anhieb leider auch keine Lösung.
Fakt ist das ich mich mit Sicherheit mehr an Diskussionen hier beteiligen würde wenn ich verstehen würde um was es geht.
Ganz grob raffe ich ja das meisste, das reicht aber nicht zum mitdiskutieren.
Ich bedauere diese Sprachbarriere wirklich sehr, sehe aber ehrlich gesagt keine Lösung ;o)
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Ich kann die Bedeutung zu verstehen. Aber ich kann nicht Deutsch sprechen...
Dies ist eine gute Gelegenheit.
Ich werde lernen, wie man Deutsch sprechen ^^
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Funkystan, das ist eine tolle Idee! Wie lernt man etwas? Eine Sprache? Ein Instrument? Durch Korrektur, Feedback, Hilfe. Wie leicht wäre es für mich, mein Englisch zu verbessern! Deutsch ist aber auch seit geraumer Zeit kein "Herrenrecht" mehr! Jeder Mensch auf der Welt hat das Recht, diese wunderschöne Sprache zu lernen, zu lesen und zu sprechen. Sogar die Erfindung von Wikiloops ist ja die Erfindung eines Deutschen.

If you find a serious mistake in a post of me and you are a native speaker, please use copy and paste and send me a PM with the correction of the sentence in grammar and spelling. I really need feedback to improve daily skills. :)

Of course a native speaker learns by imitation and reading. On the long run this could cause problems if you are in close contact with wrong formulations... :). Don't know what Google translation is but I won't use it anytime for sure.

I know many Americans enjoy some remembering of their german descent and lost vocabulary, too.
Was born in an analog world.
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well guys...
I believe there is a lot of, or maybe too much proof out there that we like to tolerate all kinds of colours in this forum or -to put in in other words- I hold on to the idea that anyone is entitled to making a fool out of himself,
but I must admit above post by neronick is expressing an attitude I find hard to tolerate.

Neither wikiloops nor me are interested to promote german(isms), nor am I interested in promoting wikiloops as something german, nor am i interested in managing a "wow, lets learn languages!" forum - there are 1001 better places online for doing that than the wikiloops forum.
I offered adding a german corner to the forum, but I am not offering to tolerate or support the kind of "let me tell you how this world works and what THE AMERICANS enjoy (who seem to be of german origin if you ask neronick)" attitdue expressed above.
In defense of germany, let me assure anyone reading this that there are a lot of germans who have a wider understanding of how this world works than expressed by the single individual above.
If you feel like learning suaheli, arabic or german, my congratulations on that decision and all the best for it ("mabruk", as we say in arabic), but as you may or may not understand, having to check each and every post to make sure the trolls and conflicts will stay away is more than enough job already, I really do not feel we need to expand that to levels & topics way outside of wikiloops & making music.

I can realy only suggest someone like Neronick should open a seperate board outside of wikiloops for such aims, where there is lot of room for monologues, and where it is safe to say things like "I don't know what a (insert anything - "brain" p.e.) is, but I won't use it anytime for sure." without me having to read that. thank you very much.


@uloisius & TG & Stan: I did research a bit yeasterday about machine translation tools for website content, looks like anything halfways decent is only available as paid services, so I won't make any promises about that becoming available anytime soon. But I'll keep the topic on my radar.
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Also die automatische Übersetzung (ich arbeite ja oft damit ;o) ist wirklich nur eine Krücke die manchmal sinnvolles ergibt aber manchmal auch nur total verdrehten, kaum verständlichen Sprachschrott produziert, damit hier zu arbeiten wäre glaube ich nicht sinnvoll.

Da finde ich die Idee mit dem "Deutschen Eck" in dem man sich einfach in deutsch austauschen könnte echt sinnvoller. Würde bei so einer internationalen Seite Sinn machen.
Anderen Sprachen müsste diese Möglichkeit auch offen gehalten werden (bei Bedarf und genügend Leuten hier bei WL die die jeweilige Sprache sprechen).

Vielleicht könnte man ja einfach im "Community Board" so eine Ecke einstellen, nur so mal zum Test, dann sieht man ja ob und wie es angenommen wird und so ;o)
Edited by Uloisius on 21-06-2016 16:23
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My first message was..............

Whatever the language used to write a thread is.
What would be interesting is at least to write the title in English.

There's always a way to understand ^^
Edited by Funkystan on 21-06-2016 16:43
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hallo guys, ich denke es ist an uns in welcher sprache wir uns unterhalten, und wenn worüber! und mit wem! wer es verstehen will der kennt den BABELFISCH ! por mio mucho gusto, tres bien , best tab ich habe volume from !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hallo guys, ich denke es ist an uns in welcher sprache wir uns unterhalten, und wenn worüber! und mit wem! wer es verstehen will der kennt den BABELFISCH ! por mio mucho gusto, tres bien , best tab ich habe volume from !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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