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I think we need another music style in the search box called Avant-garde/experimental. I just listened to 82788, its listed as classical. Don't know about you, but this does not sound classical to me.
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Experimental will be overfilled :D
I use it to declare Electronic sub-genre primarily, hybrids, genreless productions
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Generally I agree, a new style called "experimental/avantgarde" would perhaps be helpful.
I write "perhaps" cause you can be experimental in making blues, in making classic and in any other style (except in the experimental or avantgarde style)

Hence everyone, who is experimenting, can tag the track with "experimental or with "avantgarde".
If you search for "experimental" on the loops you get 219 matches and for "avantgarde" you get 1 hit.
Ok, ok. This is not really much, I know that there are more.

I think the reason for these low search result is: tagging a track in the tag field is not very popular on the loops.
;)
Pexe did it, but I agree that the tag "violin" is not really helpful to find a track like the one you mentioned, cause you find this track as a violin track also by another search function.

But, when you say this:
TG_Strat wrote:
"I just listened to 82788, its listed as classical. Don't know about you, but this does not sound classical to me."
you should perhaps consider this:

Approx 5 years ago I invited my mom (88 years ijn those days) and my mother in law (71 years at that time) to a concert of modern classic in the philharmony of Cologne.
It would be a lie to say, that the ladies were shocked, but they were a bit confused cause this was not what they had expected. I also was surprised, because at that time I would have agreed to your statement: I would have call it experimental. I don't remember the composers but in my memory it sounded like one of the following tracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNkhzWcEBss&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa&index=44

Or listen to "Penderecki - Threnody" (even harder and more experimental in my eyes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8&index=49&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa

or, even funny for me: Wolfgang Rihm · Hekton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzZk11QZ10&index=51&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa

The guys who make this call it classical and I guess they do this, cause they follow a strict guideline.
I actually don't dare to decide, whether Pexe "just" (I think, it isn't polite to use the word "just". Hence I beg for excuses.) improvises or whether he has a detailed plan. In the end it doesn't matter: It's the result, which counts.

But however, it may be, that he would not use the experimental category, cause he just considers this music as classical. Did you already ask him?
Edited by will_C on 05-09-2016 20:52
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will_C wrote:
But, when you say this:
TG_Strat wrote:
"I just listened to 82788, its listed as classical. Don't know about you, but this does not sound classical to me."
you should perhaps consider this:

Approx 5 years ago I invited my mom (88 years ijn those days) and my mother in law (71 years at that time) to a concert of modern classic in the philharmony of Cologne.
It would be a lie to say, that the ladies were shocked, but they were a bit confused cause this was not what they had expected. I also was surprised, because at that time I would have agreed to your statement: I would have call it experimental. I don't remember the composers but in my memory it sounded like one of the following tracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNkhzWcEBss&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa&index=44


I listened to it, that is experimental not classic to me at least. To be honest, I was quite bored with it. Wold not want to sit for an hour listening to that :D


Or listen to "Penderecki - Threnody" (even harder and more experimental in my eyes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8&index=49&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa

That one I actually liked, also because of the animation. It sounds like a score from a movie, reminds me of those cartoons from Czechoslovakia in the 70ies.

or, even funny for me: Wolfgang Rihm · Hekton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzZk11QZ10&index=51&list=PLnUEYC3s15rB0gy_KsOt2vsi8PmqwNxBa

This one I thought the technical ability especially of the violin player is exceptional. Still, I find it all a bit pretentious. But very good technique, that woman can play.

The guys who make this call it classical and I guess they do this, cause they follow a strict guideline.
I actually don't dare to decide, whether Pexe "just" (I think, it isn't polite to use the word "just". Hence I beg for excuses.) improvises or whether he has a detailed plan. In the end it doesn't matter: It's the result, which counts.

But however, it may be, that he would not use the experimental category, cause he just considers this music as classical. Did you already ask him?



No I did not ask him, but if we hat that category experimental I would ask him. Of course with music you have all sorts of different shades, so maybe a Blues song can also be Rock etc...I still believe what Pexe and others are playing is experimental and not classic, and that is a good thing too!

P.S. Thanks for the links, much appreciated! You will hear from my North Vietnamese lawyer soon ;)
Edited by TeeGee on 09-09-2016 00:05
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