Wikiloops And Competition
For me, it's a double-edged sword. There's been players I've [arrogantly] thought, 'yeah, I can do that.'. Yet the next track they play a blinder that totally puts me in my place. The drummers on Wikiloops keep serving me that humble pie. Keep it coming.
For me, I see no peer competition. I hear drummers and musicians across the board on here, from the best players I've heard who belong on the biggest stages in the world to the most earnest beginners. Yet it's those beginners I hear amazing new ideas from. The players who take it on, have a go and put us 'seasoned' players in our place, in truth.
I learn from beginners as I do the pros. I know I can play. I know I've done my homework and have spent decades getting 'good'. I know I've gone and played and done it, Yet the guys who've only just got going, just learning to play, keep putting curveballs in my direction. I may have the experience and the skill but some of these players have incredible imagination - *please* keep putting me in my place.
Learning is not just for beginners.
When i hear someone play the keys, i instantly feel what kinda player that is, technical, routined, loaded with feeling, beginner, great sounds etc..... and i learn from that everytime!
I think our learning and evoluating curve with music is different as it is with sports for example.....in music there is a riping proces also! Maybe the technical side won’t improve as fast as it did in the early years, but listening to other musicians and trying different things is getting musicians to an “other” stage!
Unfortunately sax players are taught to try and sound like some "Great Player". Why? Those "Great Players" didn't want to sound like a sax player from 50 years before their time. Having a different point of view makes it so that other players are not seen as competition. I can certainly appreciate a good sax player, yet their playing is generally so different it would be like thinking about being competitive with a violinist.
We had a wonderful sax player “javisax” that showed up for a while. His tone, technique and articulation were a joy to hear. He created beautiful multi voice sax tracks that were wonderful. Competition? Once again his playing was completely different to mine. Appreciation does not mean that I want to play or sound like him. He’s on his path and I’m on mine. I do miss his playing and wish he was still around.
Probably most others instrumentalists just hear the sound of a sax and give it no further consideration other than: "are they technically OK and is it pleasant?" Let’s face it; the sax is a very minor instrument in this place. Probably few care to listen closely enough to hear what they consider too subtle to be noticeable. I’ve got to admit to not being able to hear subtleties of other instruments unless I’m really concentrating. Hopefully we can all hear what works, and ultimately, that might be enough.
Sax is the closest instrument to the human voice, and similarly one can train themselves to sound like some famous singer/player, or you can develop your own voice and character. Although few other instruments have the range of sound and tone production of a sax there is certainly a stamp of style that one can hear with unique players of almost every instrument.
My challenge is to become the best me regardless of what anyone else does or strives for.
One does not judge the quality of a musician to the number of notes that can play in one second.:o
I think some musicians have a tendency to be naturally competitive to varying degrees (whether they want to admit it or not), and some don't. I've been in bands where theres been rivalry etc, and its nothing new. Brian Wilson was inspired by Revolver and Sgt Peppers, and produced a few classics of his own - so that is an example of how competitiveness can be healthy.
Personally I don't view other musicians as "better or worse" only different. Every single musician from beginner to the finest pros brings something to the table, we have strengths and weaknesses, and I've learned things even when I taught drums to complete beginners.
Whenever I listen to other drum tracks on here (including your splendid ones mpointon), I never feel threatened, inferior jealous, insecure - I only feel inspired or intrigued at the different sounds I'm hearing, or recording techniques used, and it only makes me think positively.
At the end of the day (its 11:59), my main focus is :- how can I do justice to someone elses music, create a good atmosphere, or stir an emotion and do the very best job I can. If someone likes my adds, all the better, if they don't, nevermind! Theres always the "choose a different drummer button" ha ha ha
Theres no rivalry on here, we are all brothers and sisters!
For me that is also a way of showing apreciation
Edited by TeeGee on 30-09-2017 15:26
i know I've got a good right hand, and i know my left fingers are slow these days, but sometimes, just sometimes, pure creativity takes over and i achieve more than either hand can. likewise some guys are always creative but limited in "touch" while others have the touch but limited creativity, so the "competition" tend to be with oneself, rather than "against " others.
did that make any sense?
Yes..there are way batter sax players out there than myself. I desire my own sound as Wade mentioned..don't wanna sound "just like So and So"..I'm here to improve my own skills...not try to "out-do" someone else here that plays a sax. Jealous of those that are more creative than myself...yes. But want to be competetive?? Nah. Life is too short for that if you ask me. I like individuality. :)
It in broken my skeleton, and torn my muscles by twisting my joints.
The exchange in always be in mind of Budo.
No measure, no competition, but always the idea to share to develop skills.
This is the school of life.
Others are there to share in the altruism.
Never forget the spiritual essence of Wikiloops :)
Thank you Fish for your words !
Edited by titi on 04-10-2017 21:37
It's all open to interpretation. Like I definitely admire certain aspects about different bass players on here, but they will never naturally express themselves like me(or you). Wanting to get your chops up to speed, theory knowledge, timing, that's all good to do. But we sound like ourselves after years of playing.
First let me address what Tee Gee said, if the Ken you mentioned was me, that's one of the best compliments I have had but it's not deserved, you are a great guitar player and there are times I say I wish I could play something you have played.
Yep, it's you Ken :) . I listen a LOT to the latest jams on the Wiki radio at work, in the background, but occasionally a song jumps at me. Usually these will be guitarists tracks - and many times it's been one of your tracks mate. Jumping at me from the radio... you rock :W
"Because there is very nice music made and to use for someone like me who wants to learn to play harmonica, and perhaps later with another can give to them to play and its own color here, and that a Belgian who inhabited in Hungary! like é."