Should we be preparing the escape pods now?
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First my apologies to all the people I "follow" and friends whose music that has been ignored. The whole AI discussion has been extremely depressing. It unfortunately reminds me of Science Fiction episodes of the Borg assimilating those it comes in contact with.
I really don't want to have anything to do with listening to, much less playing with computer generated stuff. Wikiloops was my replacement for not being able to play live. It's been about jamming with other musicians and seeing what we could create.
Richard's silence is not helping. If this continues it's more a matter of AI becoming integrated by default. The longer the door seems open the more AI tracks will be here, then if banned, how does this get purged? Are people going to be told to remove all of those tracks?
It seems that at some point I'll definitely jump into one of those escape pods... but to go where? Will there be others who are also searching for a place where musicians can interact as we have been doing?
Are we approaching the time when some of you may also think we should at least be exchanging contact details? I'd be happy to receive PMs and start collecting a list so that we can keep in touch and figure out alternatives... if necessary. You'd need to trust that I'll keep your contact details confidential.
Maybe there's just a few of us? Maybe a lot? I guess it depends on the level of disruption/pollution? By putting your name below it may cause a few to question whether AI is worth seeing some of us disappear. It shouldn't be a commitment, just an indication of whether you prefer to be somewhere else if AI becomes dominant.
This isn't a pro/anti AI discussion, it's just a list for some of us who might consider going elsewhere. There is no disrespect for anyone who wishes to play with AI, as there should be no disrespect for those of us who don't. Just one of those things where there may be an irreconcilable disagreement which may require each of us going our own way.
I really don't want to have anything to do with listening to, much less playing with computer generated stuff. Wikiloops was my replacement for not being able to play live. It's been about jamming with other musicians and seeing what we could create.
Richard's silence is not helping. If this continues it's more a matter of AI becoming integrated by default. The longer the door seems open the more AI tracks will be here, then if banned, how does this get purged? Are people going to be told to remove all of those tracks?
It seems that at some point I'll definitely jump into one of those escape pods... but to go where? Will there be others who are also searching for a place where musicians can interact as we have been doing?
Are we approaching the time when some of you may also think we should at least be exchanging contact details? I'd be happy to receive PMs and start collecting a list so that we can keep in touch and figure out alternatives... if necessary. You'd need to trust that I'll keep your contact details confidential.
Maybe there's just a few of us? Maybe a lot? I guess it depends on the level of disruption/pollution? By putting your name below it may cause a few to question whether AI is worth seeing some of us disappear. It shouldn't be a commitment, just an indication of whether you prefer to be somewhere else if AI becomes dominant.
This isn't a pro/anti AI discussion, it's just a list for some of us who might consider going elsewhere. There is no disrespect for anyone who wishes to play with AI, as there should be no disrespect for those of us who don't. Just one of those things where there may be an irreconcilable disagreement which may require each of us going our own way.
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Wade, I think we reached the point where you should take a deep breath and leave it be for a while. I was dreading this ever since the AI discussion started. Dick will say what he says when he is ready to do so, don't force it and don't get dramatic.
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Wade, I'm definitely gone if Ai becomes a dominant force on the loops ... wouldn't that be awful! :@ Elevator music gone rogue! haha Why anyone is a fan of it, is completely beyond me. They're not interested in the hard work it takes to become proficient on an instrument, I suppose. All these glowing reports from the Ai fans don't convince me of it's great merits either. I don't think it's just a "tool" as some claim. That said, I'm fairly confident it's not going to take over any time soon on here. I'll worry about finding a new jam space when that appears to be happening. I do understand your feelings for sure. I don't think the space pods need fueling yet to your original question. :O
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Dick has access to data that can tell him about trends. I imagine that there are common behavioral profiles that occur over and over again. This data can be used to flag new patterns, patterns suggesting AI ‘artists’.
I’m sure he’s watching the data.
I still struggle with the threat concept. Why would someone pay to post inauthentic material only to be criticized and questioned?
Doesn’t make anyone else wrong , I just don’t see the party here ending.
But some of you have been here for many years now and I respect and appreciate your experience and experiences.
There are so many free sites that will be ripe for infestation. What appeal does WL offer to an AI’er?
I’m sure he’s watching the data.
I still struggle with the threat concept. Why would someone pay to post inauthentic material only to be criticized and questioned?
Doesn’t make anyone else wrong , I just don’t see the party here ending.
But some of you have been here for many years now and I respect and appreciate your experience and experiences.
There are so many free sites that will be ripe for infestation. What appeal does WL offer to an AI’er?
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TeeGee is right. Yes, I'm trying to force Richard to say something. Time is an enemy that allows AI to become more ingrained. Acting before it becomes too much of a problem seems smart. His saying virtually nothing is not good for anyone... pro or anti AI.
However, you're probably right TeeGee in that I've said enough. If Richard's not doing anything then I'll just have to get used to it or leave.
In the meanwhile I'm very depressed and feel somewhat alienated. So much time and effort has gone into this place. Without a resolution, and having this horrible anticipation that's furthered by no ruling, it's making me feel that I shouldn't be hanging around. Checking in each day just brings further depression with no resolution. So best if I stay away.
People have various amounts of feelings and commitment. If that's not somehow appropriate, or to speak one's mind, then AI is the perfect answer. No feelings, no commitment, no heart and no soul.
Wake me when it's over.
However, you're probably right TeeGee in that I've said enough. If Richard's not doing anything then I'll just have to get used to it or leave.
In the meanwhile I'm very depressed and feel somewhat alienated. So much time and effort has gone into this place. Without a resolution, and having this horrible anticipation that's furthered by no ruling, it's making me feel that I shouldn't be hanging around. Checking in each day just brings further depression with no resolution. So best if I stay away.
People have various amounts of feelings and commitment. If that's not somehow appropriate, or to speak one's mind, then AI is the perfect answer. No feelings, no commitment, no heart and no soul.
Wake me when it's over.
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Wade, while you may have reached a peak of concern regarding AI and Wikiloops, you can't really expect everyone around you to be "in time" with you in that way. Depressed and alienated? Alienated by whom? By what? By your own personal negative view of the future? All your depressive negativity seems to be based on your predictions rather than reality.
While I understand your concerns, this is not something that's actually happening here and I take Bradford's view which is basically - why would anyone want to flood a site like this with AI creations? What's the point for such people?
I feel the same about people posting complete tracks that are NOT AI generated - what's the point? They get ignored because they are pointless in this jam setting. Same for AI.
I asked earlier if AI can "add" to a track - I think that's a no.
I asked if it can provide starter tracks? I think no.
It seems to me that AI spits out completed works, so really unless someone thinks this is a streaming site (which it obviously is not) why would they pay to join to upload completed tracks of ANY kind?
Happy to have my understanding of AI corrected.
While I understand your concerns, this is not something that's actually happening here and I take Bradford's view which is basically - why would anyone want to flood a site like this with AI creations? What's the point for such people?
I feel the same about people posting complete tracks that are NOT AI generated - what's the point? They get ignored because they are pointless in this jam setting. Same for AI.
I asked earlier if AI can "add" to a track - I think that's a no.
I asked if it can provide starter tracks? I think no.
It seems to me that AI spits out completed works, so really unless someone thinks this is a streaming site (which it obviously is not) why would they pay to join to upload completed tracks of ANY kind?
Happy to have my understanding of AI corrected.
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Wade,
I meanwhile thoroughly regret starting the AI discussion. I didn`t want it to be the trigger for your frustrations and certainly not to add to them. I do think that the confirmation bias might play a part.
(And apologies to all for creating a bad vibe. I really feel bad about this!)
I still think that the current status Wikiloops is what its members have made it with regards to content, interaction, creative processes and the like. And the same goes for the future of Wikiloops. It won`t be rules that dictate what happens on Wikiloops but how we use the opportunities we already have. More interaction, more back and forth between musicians collaborating on tracks vs sequencially adding to them sounds to me like a great way to avoid being flooded by AI.
You, Wade, have been here long enough. 800 tracks, tons of constructive comments (and not just friendly comments). You - as many others here - lead by example. If you, and we, stick to that, I`m quite optimistic that Wikiloops can continue to be my home.
I meanwhile thoroughly regret starting the AI discussion. I didn`t want it to be the trigger for your frustrations and certainly not to add to them. I do think that the confirmation bias might play a part.
(And apologies to all for creating a bad vibe. I really feel bad about this!)
I still think that the current status Wikiloops is what its members have made it with regards to content, interaction, creative processes and the like. And the same goes for the future of Wikiloops. It won`t be rules that dictate what happens on Wikiloops but how we use the opportunities we already have. More interaction, more back and forth between musicians collaborating on tracks vs sequencially adding to them sounds to me like a great way to avoid being flooded by AI.
You, Wade, have been here long enough. 800 tracks, tons of constructive comments (and not just friendly comments). You - as many others here - lead by example. If you, and we, stick to that, I`m quite optimistic that Wikiloops can continue to be my home.
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Why don't we close this thread and continue chewing the AI cud in the other AI thread? Otherwise it is just repeating the same, right?
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Why don't we close this thread and continue chewing the AI cud in the other AI thread? Otherwise it is just repeating the same, right?
Why don't we close this thread and continue chewing the AI cud in the other AI thread? Otherwise it is just repeating the same, right?
This one is for signing up to Wades potential mutiny. :)
Better to stay and flood the site with his excellent sax playing in my opinion.
Same goes for all the talented (and not so talented) musicians that make wikiloops what it is. I won't be bailing out - for one thing there is nowhere to go! There is nothing out there that's even close to wikiloops unless I missed it somehow.
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zedders wrote: This one is for signing up to Wades potential mutiny. :)
The whole "List" idea is so ridiculous, as if he would start a new collaboration site or whatever. Sometimes I think Wade writes stuff like that just to pi** me off ;) I am seriously really not amused, I tell you that.
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oh boy :)
I have not even started to read the other thread(s) on the topic, but since it seems to be costing you sleep Wade, here is my desired position:
I agree that I do not see wikiloops as the best showcasing place for AI generated music, that is out of scope of human music collaboration, which is what wikiloops is built on and for.
The same can be stated about midi-generated music, samples and the experiMental electronic audio manipulation tracks some have posted in the past. These are IMHO misfits to the concept of handmade music, and luckily such tracks never attracted a lot of attention on wikiloops.
Which again has lead to few active uploaders pumping up thousands of midi tracks - it just is not rewarding to do that, as nobody wants to remix these.
Experience shows some keep uploading such material for some time, but even the most stubborn ones realize they are not drawing any positive attention, so they eventually stop again.
That happens without any effort, and I daresay if you were to start a moderation attempt on all of those cases, you'd be feeding the trolls and end with a bad vibe on the shoutbox and elsewhere for being such a stuck up policy rider.
Which leads me to the one crucial point about the whole discussion:
What is the use of setting up more rules/policies if we do not really have the means to persecute these? Or does anyone want to volunteer to run a hundred tracks a day thru some AI detection service tool? No? Well,
The license statement everyone needs to confirm asks you to confirm you are the only author and artist recorded in your remix,
no third party content allowed.
Does that need to be altered to reflect AI tools?
I don't think it needs to be, they clearly are third party content, (as long as you don't run the LLM on an implanted chipset).
We have some years to work this out, still.
AI content will flood the whole web, and you wont be able to tell what is real audio, video or text very soon.
What you will be able to detect right away tho is whether that remix you received on wikiloops was recorded by some human who listened intensely and recorded some instrument, or whether someone just took your sax track and fed it into some machine that generated a polished pop remix.
You wont be fooled on this one, so what is there to be scared off, really?
Let's look at the worst case:
Even if at some day, you have AI in 50% of the latest jams on the wikiloops homepage, would that seriously spoil the platform?
If you are a seasoned member, you'll be looking at your news feeds selection of followed artists tracks - no AI there if you don't follow such artists.
If you are a first time visitor and head over to the track search, you wont run into a lot of AI tracks there, simply because they do not get as much likes and remixes, so they'll be hard to find just like the midi crap (sorry) uploaded in the past.
There is not that much at risk I'd say, no need for any escape rooms.
I have not even started to read the other thread(s) on the topic, but since it seems to be costing you sleep Wade, here is my desired position:
I agree that I do not see wikiloops as the best showcasing place for AI generated music, that is out of scope of human music collaboration, which is what wikiloops is built on and for.
The same can be stated about midi-generated music, samples and the experiMental electronic audio manipulation tracks some have posted in the past. These are IMHO misfits to the concept of handmade music, and luckily such tracks never attracted a lot of attention on wikiloops.
Which again has lead to few active uploaders pumping up thousands of midi tracks - it just is not rewarding to do that, as nobody wants to remix these.
Experience shows some keep uploading such material for some time, but even the most stubborn ones realize they are not drawing any positive attention, so they eventually stop again.
That happens without any effort, and I daresay if you were to start a moderation attempt on all of those cases, you'd be feeding the trolls and end with a bad vibe on the shoutbox and elsewhere for being such a stuck up policy rider.
Which leads me to the one crucial point about the whole discussion:
What is the use of setting up more rules/policies if we do not really have the means to persecute these? Or does anyone want to volunteer to run a hundred tracks a day thru some AI detection service tool? No? Well,
The license statement everyone needs to confirm asks you to confirm you are the only author and artist recorded in your remix,
no third party content allowed.
Does that need to be altered to reflect AI tools?
I don't think it needs to be, they clearly are third party content, (as long as you don't run the LLM on an implanted chipset).
We have some years to work this out, still.
AI content will flood the whole web, and you wont be able to tell what is real audio, video or text very soon.
What you will be able to detect right away tho is whether that remix you received on wikiloops was recorded by some human who listened intensely and recorded some instrument, or whether someone just took your sax track and fed it into some machine that generated a polished pop remix.
You wont be fooled on this one, so what is there to be scared off, really?
Let's look at the worst case:
Even if at some day, you have AI in 50% of the latest jams on the wikiloops homepage, would that seriously spoil the platform?
If you are a seasoned member, you'll be looking at your news feeds selection of followed artists tracks - no AI there if you don't follow such artists.
If you are a first time visitor and head over to the track search, you wont run into a lot of AI tracks there, simply because they do not get as much likes and remixes, so they'll be hard to find just like the midi crap (sorry) uploaded in the past.
There is not that much at risk I'd say, no need for any escape rooms.
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I'm sorry I just need it to be clear.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
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deezee wrote:
I'm sorry I just need it to be clear.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
I'm sorry I just need it to be clear.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
Dorothy,
I think Richard answered that question in his post on the other thread - see https://www.wikiloops.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=3746&rowstart=180#post_27502 or post number 199 if the link won't get you there automagically.
You're good I would say - and oh btw, on the track where you put your own vocals first and then "AI"-generated ones as a remix, I prefer yours by far <3
Hope that helps?
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Dorothy,
I think Richard answered that question in his post on the other thread - see https://www.wikiloops.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=3746&rowstart=180#post_27502 or post number 199 if the link won't get you there automagically.
You're good I would say - and oh btw, on the track where you put your own vocals first and then "AI"-generated ones as a remix, I prefer yours by far <3
Hope that helps?
deezee wrote:
I'm sorry I just need it to be clear.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
I'm sorry I just need it to be clear.
Am I not allowed to put any AI up even if I remix it with some of my own composition.
Or do them with my own written lyrics. That are already in the lyrics library
Thanks.
Dorothy,
I think Richard answered that question in his post on the other thread - see https://www.wikiloops.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=3746&rowstart=180#post_27502 or post number 199 if the link won't get you there automagically.
You're good I would say - and oh btw, on the track where you put your own vocals first and then "AI"-generated ones as a remix, I prefer yours by far <3
Hope that helps?
awe thank you Wolfgang. Appreciate<3
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A cool song I created with my idea's
Harmony in the Park, for Claudia, Rob & Wade<3<3<3
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
Just the lyrics here,
Harmony in the Park
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[Verse]
Gentle skies and a pure breeze
Claudia's cello hums with ease
Rob's guitar strums soft and low
In the park where flowers grow
[Verse 2]
Wade's sax sings a midnight tune
Underneath the silver moon
Notes are flying like bird wings
Feel the joy that music brings
[Chorus]
Harmony from strings and reeds
Soothes the soul and fills our needs
In the park we come alive
In this moment we will thrive
[Verse 3]
Trees are swaying with our beat
Grass so cool beneath our feet
Rhythms blend and voices rise
See the world through clear eyes
[Chorus]
Harmony from strings and reeds
Soothes the soul and fills our needs
In the park we come alive
In this moment we will thrive
[Bridge]
As the sun dips low and fades
Melodies take different shades
Cello whispers night is near
Guitar chords that we hold dear
Harmony in the Park, for Claudia, Rob & Wade<3<3<3
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
Just the lyrics here,
Harmony in the Park
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6 June 2024 at 11:29
[Verse]
Gentle skies and a pure breeze
Claudia's cello hums with ease
Rob's guitar strums soft and low
In the park where flowers grow
[Verse 2]
Wade's sax sings a midnight tune
Underneath the silver moon
Notes are flying like bird wings
Feel the joy that music brings
[Chorus]
Harmony from strings and reeds
Soothes the soul and fills our needs
In the park we come alive
In this moment we will thrive
[Verse 3]
Trees are swaying with our beat
Grass so cool beneath our feet
Rhythms blend and voices rise
See the world through clear eyes
[Chorus]
Harmony from strings and reeds
Soothes the soul and fills our needs
In the park we come alive
In this moment we will thrive
[Bridge]
As the sun dips low and fades
Melodies take different shades
Cello whispers night is near
Guitar chords that we hold dear
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deezee wrote:
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
Seriously, you got me wondering if it is really that hard to understand what is permitted and what is not?
The topic is a serious matter to some of us, so, please, let's not make fun of that - the lol kinda irritated me there.
The wikiloops rules are very clear on what is permitted and what is not, I am not going to recite them again, nor can I be asked to permit or block single contributions, as you will certainly understand.
The one bit of information I may have missed yesterday is: There are the private bands on wikiloops which offer a pretty much rule-free / upload anything you want space.
Just wanted to remind of that option, which might as well be used to upload tracks which do not adhere to the public loops rules.
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deezee wrote:
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
Seriously, you got me wondering if it is really that hard to understand what is permitted and what is not?
The topic is a serious matter to some of us, so, please, let's not make fun of that - the lol kinda irritated me there.
The wikiloops rules are very clear on what is permitted and what is not, I am not going to recite them again, nor can I be asked to permit or block single contributions, as you will certainly understand.
The one bit of information I may have missed yesterday is: There are the private bands on wikiloops which offer a pretty much rule-free / upload anything you want space.
Just wanted to remind of that option, which might as well be used to upload tracks which do not adhere to the public loops rules.
Sorry Richard I just felt a bit embarrassed by asking,, reason being they are still being uploaded on wiki. No names mentioned, so I thought oh certain ones with own lyrics must still be being permitted. The song Harmony in the park was not my own written lyrics just ideas about Claudia, Rob and Wade. I'm intending to try to sing that one myself by the way .
I really don't know what I'm talking about, I've not a wink of sleep all night.. Do you have to pay Extra to upload to a private band Space ? Just wondering ? Thanks
Ps of course I'm taking it all extremely serious considering the whole thread was started because I uploaded an AI song!! I felt also I became the scapegoat
This is what was written on my AI song Island Vibes
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Here is the vote from the MySounds jury: Creativity: dix points love; Emotional response: zero points angry. Think I`ll vent my disgust (at myself) in the forum tomorrow.
It's a song. Unless I have permission to upload it. lol
Seriously, you got me wondering if it is really that hard to understand what is permitted and what is not?
The topic is a serious matter to some of us, so, please, let's not make fun of that - the lol kinda irritated me there.
The wikiloops rules are very clear on what is permitted and what is not, I am not going to recite them again, nor can I be asked to permit or block single contributions, as you will certainly understand.
The one bit of information I may have missed yesterday is: There are the private bands on wikiloops which offer a pretty much rule-free / upload anything you want space.
Just wanted to remind of that option, which might as well be used to upload tracks which do not adhere to the public loops rules.
Sorry Richard I just felt a bit embarrassed by asking,, reason being they are still being uploaded on wiki. No names mentioned, so I thought oh certain ones with own lyrics must still be being permitted. The song Harmony in the park was not my own written lyrics just ideas about Claudia, Rob and Wade. I'm intending to try to sing that one myself by the way .
I really don't know what I'm talking about, I've not a wink of sleep all night.. Do you have to pay Extra to upload to a private band Space ? Just wondering ? Thanks
Ps of course I'm taking it all extremely serious considering the whole thread was started because I uploaded an AI song!! I felt also I became the scapegoat
This is what was written on my AI song Island Vibes
MySounds
Here is the vote from the MySounds jury: Creativity: dix points love; Emotional response: zero points angry. Think I`ll vent my disgust (at myself) in the forum tomorrow.
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Dorothy,
you have NOT been made a scapegoat for anything. Nobody has pointed the finger at you and said "that Dorothy person has done something unspeakable so let`s do something unspeakable to her" (if you have, it must have been outside of Wikiloops).
I know that you were somewhat shocked and angry that I took your track as the example on which I based my general observations re AI. But that happened only because I listen to your output (still do!). And rest assured that my rant has been building up for quite a long time, in fact even before I joined Wikiloops.
I hope there`s a way to implant this in your mind:
You did nothing wrong. In contrast to some people you yourself mentioned that the vocals were AI generated. Full marks for openness and tranparency, have a cookie and treat yourself to some wine from the trolley.
BUT (and this is really the last comment I`ll make on the topic), had you not made clear that the vocals were AI-generated, I could and probably would have been fooled into thinking it was all real. And that is what made me angry. So it wasn`t about what you did in fact do but rather about what would have happened if you hadn`t been honest about it.
So, instead of thinking that you were intentionally made to feel like a scapegoat, you should really take it as a compliment that YOUR lyrics and their performance can have an impact.
On a personal note, if someone who can write good lyrics (good from my point of view) and not perform them to their own satisfaction, I`d much rather read the lyrics while listening to the music. I know plenty of examples where the effect of the lyrics is deeper by reading them than by just listening to them.
Get some sleep and let`s be friends again
you have NOT been made a scapegoat for anything. Nobody has pointed the finger at you and said "that Dorothy person has done something unspeakable so let`s do something unspeakable to her" (if you have, it must have been outside of Wikiloops).
I know that you were somewhat shocked and angry that I took your track as the example on which I based my general observations re AI. But that happened only because I listen to your output (still do!). And rest assured that my rant has been building up for quite a long time, in fact even before I joined Wikiloops.
I hope there`s a way to implant this in your mind:
You did nothing wrong. In contrast to some people you yourself mentioned that the vocals were AI generated. Full marks for openness and tranparency, have a cookie and treat yourself to some wine from the trolley.
BUT (and this is really the last comment I`ll make on the topic), had you not made clear that the vocals were AI-generated, I could and probably would have been fooled into thinking it was all real. And that is what made me angry. So it wasn`t about what you did in fact do but rather about what would have happened if you hadn`t been honest about it.
So, instead of thinking that you were intentionally made to feel like a scapegoat, you should really take it as a compliment that YOUR lyrics and their performance can have an impact.
On a personal note, if someone who can write good lyrics (good from my point of view) and not perform them to their own satisfaction, I`d much rather read the lyrics while listening to the music. I know plenty of examples where the effect of the lyrics is deeper by reading them than by just listening to them.
Get some sleep and let`s be friends again
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MySounds wrote:
Dorothy,
you have NOT been made a scapegoat for anything. Nobody has pointed the finger at you and said "that Dorothy person has done something unspeakable so let`s do something unspeakable to her" (if you have, it must have been outside of Wikiloops).
I know that you were somewhat shocked and angry that I took your track as the example on which I based my general observations re AI. But that happened only because I listen to your output (still do!). And rest assured that my rant has been building up for quite a long time, in fact even before I joined Wikiloops.
I hope there`s a way to implant this in your mind:
You did nothing wrong. In contrast to some people you yourself mentioned that the vocals were AI generated. Full marks for openness and tranparency, have a cookie and treat yourself to some wine from the trolley.
BUT (and this is really the last comment I`ll make on the topic), had you not made clear that the vocals were AI-generated, I could and probably would have been fooled into thinking it was all real. And that is what made me angry. So it wasn`t about what you did in fact do but rather about what would have happened if you hadn`t been honest about it.
So, instead of thinking that you were intentionally made to feel like a scapegoat, you should really take it as a compliment that YOUR lyrics and their performance can have an impact.
On a personal note, if someone who can write good lyrics (good from my point of view) and not perform them to their own satisfaction, I`d much rather read the lyrics while listening to the music. I know plenty of examples where the effect of the lyrics is deeper by reading them than by just listening to them.
Get some sleep and let`s be friends again
Dorothy,
you have NOT been made a scapegoat for anything. Nobody has pointed the finger at you and said "that Dorothy person has done something unspeakable so let`s do something unspeakable to her" (if you have, it must have been outside of Wikiloops).
I know that you were somewhat shocked and angry that I took your track as the example on which I based my general observations re AI. But that happened only because I listen to your output (still do!). And rest assured that my rant has been building up for quite a long time, in fact even before I joined Wikiloops.
I hope there`s a way to implant this in your mind:
You did nothing wrong. In contrast to some people you yourself mentioned that the vocals were AI generated. Full marks for openness and tranparency, have a cookie and treat yourself to some wine from the trolley.
BUT (and this is really the last comment I`ll make on the topic), had you not made clear that the vocals were AI-generated, I could and probably would have been fooled into thinking it was all real. And that is what made me angry. So it wasn`t about what you did in fact do but rather about what would have happened if you hadn`t been honest about it.
So, instead of thinking that you were intentionally made to feel like a scapegoat, you should really take it as a compliment that YOUR lyrics and their performance can have an impact.
On a personal note, if someone who can write good lyrics (good from my point of view) and not perform them to their own satisfaction, I`d much rather read the lyrics while listening to the music. I know plenty of examples where the effect of the lyrics is deeper by reading them than by just listening to them.
Get some sleep and let`s be friends again
I've had no sleep for two days, now NOT because of this serious issue. I haven't fallen out with you. I'm just stating a fact as I see it. I'm sorry but it's the way I am... I've still listened to your lovely music and left nice comments.
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