when recording on someone elses jam
just wondering how people on this site do it.
Listen to the template and additions over and over, work out parts or listen once or twice, hit record and damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. I guess this applies more to solos like guitar harp, sax etc
One takes are desired but do not occur frequently for me.
When that is done i usually transcribe the track to facilitate the work. After transposing and creating my part i practice that for a day or two before making an attempt to record. I generally try to make the recording on a day that hasn't involed too much practice
Edited by Neronick on 25-02-2016 17:18
I download the track, call up my recording template (it's a pain manually mapping all my drum mics otherwise!), set the tempo and get the track lined up in Reaper (most times it does line up from bar 1 but not always). From there, I listen to it through to check for any weird turnarounds or problem areas. I also make a mental note of any specific phrases I can map to drums fills - I'm always listening to the track for anywhere where I can join in the dominating phrasing of the tune. It's the key to getting drums to belong to a song for me. If the track is relatively simple, structurally, I just get stuck in and jam it, watching the waveform in Reaper for obvious dynamic or section changes as I play. Many phrasing opportunities are repetitive and easy to work out where they happen.
Then there's tracks which require more effort because they don't have a consistent or obvious verse-chorus-bridge-middle 8 type of structure. If these changes aren't obvious from the waveform, as is common with heavily compressed distorted guitars - for example Akethesnaker's heavily gain maximised templates are almost impossible to read. I listen through the track dropping differently coloured markers where the changes are - the colours map to the type of change so all chorus markers, for example, are orange. These will just say simple things like 'chorus' or 'build' or 'stop' or 'double-time'. Simple visual guides to the structure. It doesn't normally tell me what to play, just where changes are.
From there, I jam the track, 'sight reading' Reaper if you will.
Then there's some which require some proper thought and planning. Many of OliVBee's templates fall into this category, as do some of Marcey's and Kennyadry's, for example. These are the templates where bashing through a backbeat just simply won't do and often the section turnarounds aren't in obvious places. With these templates I often have to compose some patterns from scratch and this takes time because I have to rehearse these new patterns until I'm satisfied they're fluid. If it's especially complex, I record the track in sections as a last resort. I like to do everything in one take but sometimes it's just not possible to remember all of the track's complexities, so I record from the beginning until I make a mistake. Then carry on from the nearest convenient punch-in point before I made the error.
Ultimately, I rely on my intuition and especially musical experience a lot. This is what helps me gets songs recorded from scratch in well under an hour, even more complex ones. I've spent a lot of my musical career jamming and you soon learn how to get into the mindset and style of a piece of music.
And I've said this on several forum posts in the past: I operate a 'three take' rule. If I haven't got the track right within three attempts, I leave it and come back to it after a break. This helps the recording be energetic and fresh.
I am brutal with my performance standards (and I often fall short of them) but I always try to temper that with my time constraints and how much I'll let slip before the tune is unacceptable to me. Ultimately, I'd love to treat every loop I add to like a proper worked-through session but I simply don't have the time and I'd be uploading one track a week at best if I did!
You'll also notice it's almost impossible for me to type a short forum post!
Edited by mpointon on 26-02-2016 11:18
- This sometimes happens before i even heard the entire piece! so sometimes i get some unexpected challenges when im fiddling around, but i think it's nice.
Mainly, i have to be very picky about which tunes i use, since i mainly use a DAW and vsts, if it's not rock-solid on time, it will screw over my DAW abit. so.. sadly, there's some tracks where it's just too human for the drum machine =/.
usually, i look out for the song structure at first, and then make a bassdrum + snare pattern that fits well over the verse, then i copy + paste it to the next verse(s). same for chorus, breaks, bridges, outro, intro and so on.
then i add the cymbals, toms what FX for what i like.
Then i change up parts, like Verse 1 and 2 so there's different hits here and there to make it sound abit more exciting!
As for guitar, i find some heavy hitting metal drums, jam the hell out of them... and then proceed to not upload anything, because im either not happy with my work or the recording quality =(
i generally use a lot of time on my drums or guitars, (guitars sometimes takes days for me) and drums, like 3 - 5 hours.
Edited by Pedersen on 28-02-2016 21:21
most of the times i'm nott fully satisfied with my adds, but i have to release them fast as i can. don't know why.
Edited by jmrukkers on 29-02-2016 15:44
I'd really like to go back and delete about 70% of my posts because they are of such crappy quality.
I made the recording of sample and bass tone including the volume of mixture, and finally then I spend a good time to edit the sound of the bass track if a note I do not like or is too confusing, I apply a little compression or sometimes reverb and compact all audio will check up after hearing levels of all tracks of the jam
On bass I have sometimes four stages to tweaking the equalizer to my taste (in mixer, amplifier-box DI, pedalboard and electronics own bass), me time consuming but against nearly all jams them I can add a bass track
I am a "mixer musician man" lately but I enjoy....
Lots of music here on wikiloops is far more complex and creative, but often one can still get the gist of what's happening. Time for playing is always difficult for me, so like a few others, I record everything and often get lucky with the first play through. If not nailed by the third time I don't usually take it any further. Cut and past can make up for minor problems. Takes a very special track for me to spend a lot more time.
I have great admiration for those who work out parts and especially for those who compose templates. Who knows, if I ever stop working I may even take time add something worthwhile?
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